Council wardens powers .

[Who me ?]

Just noticed that somehow our local council has wangled decriminalisation of parking . Now ,I know that the one/two Police authority wardens can enforce for obstruction ,rather than parking on yellows . So do the council types have similar powers . Reason for request - none of the yellows/double yellows have been maintained properly , so any ticket given on would probably fail on the grounds that the signing is wrong . And that would be nice to see ,with our local council looking to this to make a lot of money .

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[The Highway Man]

As decrim parking has been introduced, watch out for all the lines and signs getting updated over the next few months to ensure maximum ticket income.

[Who me ?]

Waiting for replies on the powers of decrim wardens - any inpit /

[The Highway Man]

When I done decrim enforcement. I could deal with yellow lines, disc parking zones, disabled bays, loading bays, bus stops, yellow zig zags outside schools, resident bays, loading bays, kerbside loading restrictions, pay and display car parks. I haven't done the job for over 4 years, I believe that more decrim contraventions have been introduced but I dont know which ones they are. From speaking to former colleagues I believe it's double parking offences and certain obstruction offences. Hope this helps.

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The Highway Man said:

When I done decrim enforcement. I could deal with yellow lines, disc parking zones, disabled bays, loading bays, bus stops, yellow zig zags outside schools, resident bays, loading bays, kerbside loading restrictions, pay and display car parks. I haven't done the job for over 4 years, I believe that more decrim contraventions have been introduced but I dont know which ones they are. From speaking to former colleagues I believe it's double parking offences and certain obstruction offences. Hope this helps.

What I'm interested in is the powers to handout tickets for obstruction, rather than parking on double yellows .

[Dwight VanDriver]

The offence of obstruction can be dealt with by both CEO's and Police but if Decrim has been approved you will find that Police will leave alone in areas where waiting restrictions are in force. Outside a restrictions area then CEO's will leave alone as they don't have power to deal.

As far as PCN's go onbstruction is a Highre Level Contravention.

dvd

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Dwight VanDriver said:

The offence of obstruction can be dealt with by both CEO's and Police but if Decrim has been approved you will find that Police will leave alone in areas where waiting restrictions are in force. Outside a restrictions area then CEO's will leave alone as they don't have power to deal.

As far as PCN's go onbstruction is a Highre Level Contravention.

dvd

Sorry ,DVD , not sure of what you're saying - have council bods got authority to issue an obstruction ticket ( carrying endorsable offence) , or just powers to issue ticket for parking offence .As I understood it , it needs a an officer of the police authority ( police Officer/Police Warranted Traffic Warden ) to issue such .

[14-7]

[quote=Who me ?]Sorry ,DVD , not sure of what you're saying - have council bods got authority to issue an obstruction ticket ( carrying endorsable offence) , or just powers to issue ticket for parking offence .As I understood it , it needs a an officer of the police authority ( police Officer/Police Warranted Traffic Warden ) to issue such .
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An obstruction ticket is not endorsable unless it is dangerous parking which I'm certain has not fallen any under decriminalistion.

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14-7 said:

[quote=Who me ?]Sorry ,DVD , not sure of what you're saying - have council bods got authority to issue an obstruction ticket ( carrying endorsable offence) , or just powers to issue ticket for parking offence .As I understood it , it needs a an officer of the police authority ( police Officer/Police Warranted Traffic Warden ) to issue such .

An obstruction ticket is not endorsable unless it is dangerous parking which I'm certain has not fallen any under decriminalistion.

Thought that a few years ago Traffic Wardens( police ones) were given the power to issue tickets which could result in an endorsement ( or am I getting mixed up with something else)

[The Highway Man]

Have a look here to see if your question can be answered.

http://www.newparkinglaws.co.uk/

Edited by The Highway Man on Thursday 30th September 16:45

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The Highway Man said:

Have a look here to see if your question can be answered.

http://www.newparkinglaws.co.uk/

Edited by The Highway Man on Thursday 30th September 16:45

No - all info on this site relates to parking offences , where the relevant lines etc are as per the statute . What I'm looking for are the powers given to the old "yellow perils" to issue a ticket which would attract an endorsement
(thought it was for obstruction/dangerous parking) ,and whether or not the council bods would have these powers .

[vonhosen]

Obstruction isn't an endorseable offence, dangerous position is.
You can't get endorsement from PCNs & council wardens can only issue PCNs not FPN(E)s.

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vonhosen said:

Obstruction isn't an endorseable offence, dangerous position is.
You can't get endorsement from PCNs & council wardens can only issue PCNs not FPN(E)s.

Thanks Von ,so as someone said earlier on - locally we can expect to see a large amount of yellow lining ,once folk start disputing the tickets .

[F i F]

As part of the decriminalisation process aiui your Council should have received a report detailing where the TROs, signs and road markings are deficient. The decrim process is only put in place on the undrstanding that the Council will correct all the non conformances.

However the problem is that nobody checks to see whether the remedial work has been completed, and in a big majority of cases the Council just goes ahead with their eyes on the filthy lucre.

Some councils are even more cynical and even when pulled up later and have their errors pointed out still go ahead and issuing invalid FPNs on the basis that the loss of income on the small number of tickets which will be contested by someone who knows what they are doing and have to cancelled is far outweighed by the cost of doing it properly.

Check your Council minutes to see if you can catch them in this decision process, but far more likely to be removed from the official record..

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F i F said:

Check your Council minutes to see if you can catch them in this decision process, but far more likely to be removed from the official record..

Thanks ,FIF - probably that will be almost impossible, as the idea of decrim was only mentioned as a consultation exercise some months ago ( in the past ,any attempt has been blocked), and it only came to light in a newspaper article on the funding of a second traffic warden, when one councillor was reported to ask if it wasn't thought better to delay this appointment due to decrim coming in next year .As far as I can tell ,this time the decision has been kept very quite . Think I'll wait till it comes on and then ask my county councillor to investigate why the lines are wrong - he's the sort to have a field day with this -since possibly isn't it the county that will have to foot the bill ?

[jaf01uk]

I was shocked the other week when some programme was on showing council employees reading rights to people pissing in alleys, and also doing "PACE" interviews for fly tipping, where is it going to go next?
Gary

[vonhosen]

jaf01uk said:

I was shocked the other week when some programme was on showing council employees reading rights to people pissing in alleys, and also doing "PACE" interviews for fly tipping, where is it going to go next?
Gary

Probably two steps back for a while.

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jaf01uk said:

I was shocked the other week when some programme was on showing council employees reading rights to people pissing in alleys, and also doing "PACE" interviews for fly tipping, where is it going to go next?
Gary

Now that I can agree with - it's the council ( AKA the ratepayer) that forks out if they get away with it .This way ( and not so different from the old tv blokes ( who've been doing it for years) they get some cash back .

[mph1977]

jaf01uk said:

I was shocked the other week when some programme was on showing council employees reading rights to people pissing in alleys, and also doing "PACE" interviews for fly tipping, where is it going to go next?
Gary

doing PACE interviews isn't just a Police thing - the obvious SOCA, UKBA and HMRC stuff aside

council staff have been doing PACE interviews for donkey years as part of Env. Health.

there is also the stuff where liarbore introduced legislation to appease councils who wanted direct control over PCSO type bods

I believe HSE staff do their own PACE interviews, and i'm not sure exactly how the RSPCA stuff works nor the Prison service semi internal stuff - given that Prison Officers have constabulary powers when working.

the UK has far fewer different types of people who can do law enforcement things and certainly far fewer organisations that have people with constabulary powers - especially compared to the USA